Arsenal Debate: Is it just a minority that want things to change?
Whose beloved Arsenal is under attack and from where? by TN
Those that support the current ‘Status Quo’ believe they are under attack from a small but vocal minority. Whereas, those calling for change believe change is the only answer to the current demise of their Arsenal. So I pose the question, are the Internet and airways being “taken over” by a minority of Arsenal fans calling for change?
Visit any Arsenal website or listen to any phone in radio station and the majority view is that “it’s time for change”. That ‘change’ comes in a variety of forms ie change the board, change the manager, change our transfer policy, scrap our wage structure, etc, and many times this ‘change’ can take the form of a combination of any of the aforementioned together. But is this the view of the majority of Arsenal fans or just a small, but vocal, minority?
Those that would claim it’s a small, but vocal minority, point to the fact that only a small percentage of Arsenal fans, who attended the Swansea game, actually took part in the BSM protest. But then what makes them think the BSM protest was the “rallying point” for all dissatisfied Gooners? Isn’t that a little naive and surely it doesn’t take into account many other factors. For example, that view simply doesn’t take into account those that didn’t attend because they didn’t know about the protest, fans that live abroad, fans that have been “priced out” and no longer attend, guys with families there, fans that support change but are not interested in protesting themselves etc etc.
Arsenal have a worldwide fan base totalling millions, but do you hear the opposite claim; ie every fan who was not at the Swansea match stayed away because of dissatisfaction and therefore supported change?
Or even more simply, every empty seat that day supported the BSM protest. And there were thousands of empty seats that day, as there are most home games these days. And every person who booed the team from the pitch that day, and it was a very loud noise, are they supportive of the current status quo?
Surely if there was so much support for the ‘steady as we go’ camp they too would be on both the internet and airways. Explain why they wouldn’t – if they felt that strongly about their beloved Arsenal being under attack? After all that’s the precise reason why the advocates of change are writing on sites and calling radio stations ie they believe their beloved Arsenal is under attack!
So the question must be, if the ‘call for change’ guys are the minority, why is it they are dominating both the Internet and airways? Or could it be, they are not the minority and “it’s time for change” is in fact the consensus view?
Terence Norman
love the new guardiola rumors!
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majority of us want things to change….who the hell would want to continue losing???
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Stewart robson – u sir have just hit the nail on the head . Wenger is an arrogant dictator who shudda been on his bike 3/4 yrs ago . He is outa touch and hasn’t a clue about today’s game . Those are facts that have been proven .
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a former player has (Stewart Robson) has finally had the guts to admit arsene is stubborn, thinks he is always right and doesnt care what the backroom staff tell him i.e bould.
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If this was a different team say like Manchester United and Ferguson was given funds and didnt spend and was in a crisis he would have been sacked. For the board to say Wenger wont be sacked tells you there is more going on than you think. I personally dont think its all Wenger. I dont see how he can be happy selling top players and not spending. He knows himself his legacy is being tarnished and yet he sits there quietly. I dont know whos to really blame anymore. One thing I do know is Wenger needs to come out and tell the truth. Its the only way he can save his legacy. Other than that I do believe he should be given one last transfer window if there is money to be spent but thats just my opinion. We are in a crisis and these 3-5mill transfer targets just wont cut it anymore…..
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Apparently Guardiola’s first choice is arsenal, hope this is true!
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Good article ! I dnt believe AFC know the true extent of the fans hatred for stan , gazidas + co at minute . I would believe that faith in wenger has gone aswell for the majority of supporters . Ask any1 who follows football and they know what the problems are ! Just not AFC – they just aren’t good nuff to be this arrogant any more !
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Wengers foult he has to leave is not boards foult they are happy for him not to ask them for money they all say money is available its wenger destroying our club seems like even players want him out thats y they r not petforming its a fact and thats the only way to get him out ohhh i also read that even guardiola left barca coz players wasnt backing him up or listening so plz plz plz sack wenger before it gets anyworst then it is
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A year or so ago, I would have been one of the first to say Arsene should never ever leave the club. Now my belief in him and the board has slipped to such a low level, that I will now join the queue of loyal Arsenal fans who are saying, “enough is enough”, the club has slipped so far behind all the other big clubs, that unless something is done soon, we will become a has been, only being able to talk about, how good we used to be. We were told that if Arsenal wanted to compete with the very best, we would have to leave Highbury for a new stadium but that it would put us back five years, before we would be at the very top. There were so many other promises, how our youth policy would develop and bring through the next generation but how many have come through? All we get is promises and some unbelievable transfer business has seen our best players go to what were our main rivals and players brought in, who have simply not been anywhere up to the standard required. So, who is to blame? It can only be Arsene and the board. Fans have had enough. If any other manager and board brought their club such meagre returns in the top five, they would be sacked. It is time for change. I don’t want to see this once great manager be made to look incompetent but this is what is happening and it’s dragging the club down and it must be arrested NOW
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Im all for a change, but lets be a little repectful to Wenger.
Lets stop calling him all the names under the sun, and ask him to resign, or move upstairs, rather than get the sack. Lets not forget, before Wenger came along, we were a top 6 side at best who often finished 8-10th under George Graham and Bruce Rioch, and only occassionally won something.
Wenger gave us the high expectations we have today, and is the reason why we are so upset with current results.
Lets not forget he gave us the the new stadium, 2 doubles and the invincibles.
Time for a change, yes, but younger fans need to realize what happened before Wenger came along, to realize what they are asking for when they say they want him out, and that includes Adam Kemp too.
I dont know what the answer is to get change, im not gonna stop going to games, cos I love Arsenal, so would never stop supporting the team.
Excluding Pep, who do people think would be a good replacement?
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AW’s Stature in football still ranks with the best…What he brought to English football and his philosophy has never been seen before,so he needs to be given some credit…and let’s not forget AW’s Legacy is still in tact…
BUT, for the past 3 years it is so blatantly obvious, that the players who left were never replaced ‘like for like and this has cost us and HIM the chance to win anything and keep the legacy going…
So mr wenger, Have you lost your touch and is it time to go or can you conjure up another invincible side..?
Somehow I think the whole world knows you are the only person believing in yourself!!!!!!
Go now while you still have some respect and allow us to move onto a new level that our great club and stadium desrves !
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This sounds childish but I had trouble getting to sleep last night, thinking how poor we were. I woke up this morning and lay awake, thinking how poor we had become. I have spent the day thinking about how insignificant what we have become and enduring taunts from others, who cannot believe themselves, what has happened to a club they thought would never fall this low. A Man U fan said to me today that we were they club they feared, now they don’t consider us a threat….ever. As he left he said “Oh by the way RvP is ours, so get over it” That hurt..Big Time
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Arogant wenger must give a chance to steve bould,maybe things may turn around
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ma frens-
real madrid fan- why gervinho trembles so bad before shooting?
man city fan- you should sign baloteli for free.
barca fan- y ramsey never take shot on target.
man u fan- don’t even wana write wat dat fker said.
even liverpool fan keep teasing about arsenal players playing so bad coz dey are underpaid. and we are on way to become like them.
i try hard to defend ma club but m running out of excuses
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If only the minority want change then our club is doomed!!Surely everyone bar the Wenger dick riders can see something is seriously wrong!!!Wenger is arrogant and thinks we have no right to question him!!!His stubbornness over the last few years is now coming back to haunt Arsenal.The Board and Wengers great plan is ruining the club.If we finish outside the top4 how we going to sign any good players???Good players want CL football.
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After 7 years of stubborness,incompetence, arrogance and lies on top of zero trophies, the minority have become a majority!
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@Gunnersince15-
was awake till 1 a.m to watch that match couldn’t sleep after match. wenger keep giving me heart attack
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@Rob excluding Pep, my top choice would be Jurgen Klopp
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nothing is going to change as long as this greedy board stays absolutely nothing usmanov & david dein is needed else it’s going 2 get even more worse
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@villa,Gunnersince
I too was struggling to sleep last night…if only I was earning £7.5m a year, would have slept like a log!
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If it ain’t broke don’t fix it….. If arsenal aren’t careful it’ll be broken beyond repair.fix it now.a change is as good as the rest…
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something has to change but nothing is happening. board and wage structure is obvious but what about things like
formations
earier subs
podolski up front
gervinho n ramsey dropped
cazorla on wing
vermaelen stripped off captaincy
ANYTHING WENGER DOOOOOO SOMETHINGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!
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but if klopp comes to arsenal things will be the same look at dortmund they are now selling their star players nuri sahin,kagawa, lewandowski next the board will continue to milk more money this way we will never know i thin pep is best atleast if he spend big it would tell us the real story else the board will continue this screwjob
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Let’s put it that way,
If there is still a minority, they are not Arsenal fans.
Anybody, and I mean anybody, with a pinch of common sense will sit down and analyse the all situation.
Don’t be influenced by someone, just think few minutes about what is going on and where we are as a club and what the future rely on if we keep the same direction.
Most of us made our mind and it is a sudden reaction… It has been ramming for few years now.
THE FACT IS, ARSENAL FANS HAVE BEEN MORE THAN UNDERSTANDABLE… THEY NEVER ASKED QUESTIONS, THEY HAVE LISTEN TO FALSE PROMISES, LIES AND BOLD STATEMENTS, BY PEOPLE WHO ONLY CARE ABOUT THEIR POCKETS.
WE HAVE BEEN PLAYED AND IT IS TIME TO WAKE UP.
As a matter of fact, I will rephrase my previous ( first ) statement.
IF YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY WHO STILL BELIEVE THAT WENGER AND HIS CRONIES CAN TAKE US TO HIGHER GROWDS AND MAKE US A FORCE IN EUROPE, YOU ARE AS DELUDED AS “THE DELUDED ONE” AND YOU SHOULD LEAVE WITH HIM WHEN HE PACKS HIS STUFF AND GET THE F**K OUT
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just one question really , where oh where are all the wengerites now , they seem to have disappeared in the same manner as our team has no chance of winning anything while wenger is in charge . why are wenger fans not coming out to defent the professor now , makes me think were we right all along and were the wengerites wrong , gee never ???.
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Meant to say ” not a sudden reaction”
Meant to say ” HIGHER GROUNDS ”
NOT ONLY WE ARE GETTING RESULTS BUT WE ARE NOW BORING AND SAD TO WATCH.
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Stewart Robson has said it all. The reason why the great Martin Keown, Tony Adams, Denis Berkamp were denied as part of Wenger’s coaching crew was and is because they would challenge Wenger’s egemony. Can you compare what Denis is doing with Ajax front men with what Wenger is doing with ours? Some fans still believe no coach is just good enough to replace wenger AND i won’t mention Guardiola cos he may not understand the philosophy and legacy of AFC BUT denis berkamp does.
Come on fans, we ain’t even playing good football again. Bring back the invincibles as coaching crew and see changes. You see viera’s spirit in Manchester city’s player. He wasn’t even offered any post in Arsenal cos that would have kicked Lord Wenger’s ass. To be honest with you all, as much as i love thierry Henry, he is a fool for allowing Wenger to be using him as cushion on us. Henry,,, stop being a sycophant and be a man for once in your life.
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Wenger will leave on his own at the end of the season.
The pressure has been mounting and he will be on his way when his contract expires in the summer.
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Wenger is probably out to force the board to spend by employing poor tactics and player the likes of gervinho and rambo.by doing that Arsenal lose therefore forcng change at Arsenal.thats my explanation.
Because it baffles me as to why a succesful manager with so much experience keeps making such mistakes…
Selling class players and not replacing them..etc..etc…
People there is more to this than meets the eye
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@villa123 there is media outside emirates because there is an ast meeting going on those idiots think something big is going 2 happen nothing everything is normal yeah except gazdis is going to be at the recieving end poor fellow i believe it’s stan who should be held responsible the invisible owner gazdis is his tool
More than 120 clubs and the top Agencies meet at Emirates Stadium for the Wyscout Forum
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stop going to the games. let them play in a empty stadium….when they sold von persie to united i knew it was over….some fans must wake up..its one thing to be a loyal fan and another to be a fool…the owner and board don’t care about winning wake up
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So I’m told lots of Arsenal back pages tomorrow on Arsene and Bould fallout this just keeps gtting crazy wtf is going on at arsenal if steve bould is the problem send him back to academy & bring in dennis bergkamp
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@leo.. thanx for information! i asked admin.. but guess they are all clueless fools.
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Arsenal football club went downhill when dein left. Peter hillwood, out of spite, did the opposite of what dein was saying. he sold out to kroenke and not usmanov. Thats why dein got kicked out, just as he predicted how football would change when he found wenger, he predicted the wealth that was about to take ovwer football and got usmanov on board. but our greedy board wanted to keep their jobs and had better ideas. they decided to rob the club. they burdened the club with a 450m debt. and what happened to their shares? insantly went up. what company wouldnt with a new 450m asset. they then sold their shares straight away to a american who promised them they could keep they jobs. instead of pocketing the money when their shares went up, they should have paid the stadium with it.
gazidis decided on wage parity, bendntner 52k, arshavin 90k, denilson 50k squid 60k, almunia 60k (gone nw) and good players like arteta 70k, walcott 60k, wilshere 50k, sagna 60k, kos 60k, ox 50k etc. our top players are not paid enough and rubbish players paid same. no wonder they want to go.
arsene wenger needs david dein back, i dont believe its his fault.
but saying that, i dont like
1) 1 up front at home
2) strikers played on wings eg walcott and podi
3) 1 defensive midfielder, big games we need 2. (petit/vieira and vieira/silva)
4) 4-5-1 hate it, no trophies won with it. he changed it in 2006.
5) stupid we have only one tall powerful cm in squad in diaby. when he is fit, best midfielder in eng.
the truth is we need
1 centre back
2 central midfielders
1 winger
2 strikers
will we get them? no because we cant pay the wages. huntelaar, llorente etc free soon, but we cant pay wages.
PLEASE PLEASE LETS GET BOARD AND KROENKE OUT, GET DEIN AND USMANOV IN, TOGETHER WITH WENGER THEY WILL FIGHT FOR ARSENAL FOOTBALL CLUB.
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the only good news 2day is that qpr have asked us about arsenal & firoentinna is set to make a bid of around 5m for chammakh
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@villa123 yeah you are welcome but i get the feeling something might happen especially between the ast members & the board 2morrow’s paer will contain story about wenger & bould fallout the media really wants to get more mileage out of this situation
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I truly think the major issue is our wage structure.
We have the funds (supposedly) to buy players like mata/hazard etc, but can’t offer them decent wages, so they go elsewhere.
We can’t offer players like walcott or van persie higher wages they deserve cos everyone else will come in for a rise.
We can’t alter our structure till the likes of the overpaid players leave.
They won’t/cant find other clubs who will pay them what they are getting now, so they end up staying or just leaving on loan.
And nothing can change till they go.
I know Wengers issues with playing players out of position is starting to frustrate me, (Ramsey and Gervinho), but he is a world class coach, I’m not, he sees them all week during training, I don’t, but Its this whole wage structure/contract issue that really annoys me.
Don’t forget, contracts and wages are THE BOARDS fault, not Wengers, he even said so at his conference last week.
@leo, as a regular blogger on here, what do you think?
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@leo
hope something big will happen. arsenal really need some change.
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Thumbs up for Wenger/dein/usmanov!!
Thumbs down for Restricted wenger/gazidis/hillwood/kroenke
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for me i ll wait for the jan tranafere to end to make a sound judgement. for me it ll really tell me the ambition of the board and manager towards the club.one thing for sure is that AW is never going to be sacked so rather i ll suggest we think of better ways to ensure he does whats good for the club to move forward.I AM FOR A POSITIVE CHANGE,anything to move the club forward.
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Llorente also dismissed reports that he had already agreed a move to Serie A leaders Juventus 27yr old Athletic Bilbao striker Llorente told Sky Sports today he’ll be talking to a new club by Jan 1st ahead of his summer move Llorente: “I really like d PL & I’ve mentioned on more than one occasion that it’s a league which appeals to me a lot.” if not huntelaar get him arsenal
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I AM FOR CHANGES BUT I DONT UNDERSTAND THIS:
you all say wenger must go wenger must go, do you think that wenger sell, nasri clichy henry the idiot van persey fabregas.
if so, where was the f***ing board to stop that, do you all Arsenal fans read newspapers follow other teams news!!!!
what happen to lorente, pandev and more players. they all say that they want to leave but did they sell them NOOOO, the board sad we will not sell them if we lose for nothing we will lose them.
WHO THE F**K LET VAN PERSEY TO LEAVE TO MAN, how did you fans that are going to games you didnt say something, if the board or wenger not think about money the will not sell players. Atletico bilbao is midd range team, lazio is midd range team, they dont have so much money but they all stop to sell a player. that love for football and club history.
LOOK Atletico Madrid and Real madrid. Atletico madrid say that they willl never sell player to real madrid, barcelona say that will never sell player to ream madrid, that show respect and love for club history.
after saying this, the biggest problem is the board because they have the control not wenger, wenger can have opinion but not control.
i know that wenger has to many tactical flows, but he is not to blame because he do not have the CONTROL. THE BOARD HAVA HAD AND WILL HAVE THE CONTROL.
so if you want progress for are lovely team!!!! START PROTESTING FOR CHANGING THE BOARD FIRST AND AFTER THAT TO SEE WHERE WE ARE WITH WENGER, PLAYERS, TEAM STAFFS AND SO ON.
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@rob wenger is at fault as well there is no denying i feel sorry for arshavin he was played out of pos we could have had rosicky on that list until wenger played him in his pos the root cause however is the board we have wage cap, we can’t spend big on players cazorla’s 16m is a benchmark can’t go higher than that these all factors are a stumbling block do you guys know we have 180m in bank as cash reserves wenger hasn’t been alowed to touch that just imagine who knows what happens behind the scene
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@rob
listen man, we have to get kroenke out. we have a powerful man who owns 30% of our club and wants it all. he doesnt care about our 50m profit every year, he earns that in interest in a month on his 12.6b fortune. he loves sport and wants to coompete with the sheikh and roman. i say let him come, we deserve it. but he has said he would just pay stadium off, and let arsenal use all its own money, would be about 70-100m a yr if no stadium payments. he wont need to give us any, but he said if we needed any here and there for a suoperstar for example ronaldo and messi, then he would provide it no questions asked to wenger. i know all this because spoke to a person who works for him on a business class flight. he said he always talks about arsenal and u can see skysports.com and arsenal.com on his computer screen sometimes.
I WANT USMANOV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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THIS ROBSON, THE EX ARSENAL PLAYER GIVING SOME INPUTS ABOUT THE WENGER REIGN AND THE CURRENT STATE OF AFFAIRS AT THE CLUB.
YOU MIGHT NOT AGREE OR BE SCEPTIC ABOUT THE ARTICLE BUT IT CAUSES REFLECTION AND DEEP RECKONING :
The former midfielder played over 200 times for the Gunners between 1981 and 1986 and says the Frenchman is a “dictator” who does not understand the game.
In an astonishing rant, Robson criticised Wenger for his behaviour on the touchline during matches, his apparent lack of tactical awareness and his general running of the club in recent years.
“Against Bradford, tactically, Phil Parkinson showed he was a better coach than Arsene Wenger,” Robson said to Sky Sports.
“As usual there were no instructions coming from Arsene Wenger on the touchline. Yes, he will rant at the fourth official, rant at the linesman and rant at the referee but he needs to start doing some actual coaching both in games and on the training ground.
“I am embarrassed with the way Arsene Wenger conducts himself these days. He doesn’t give any information to players on the field. He doesn’t do any tactical stuff and I’m told he doesn’t do much training either, yet he’ll happily have a rant at everyone else.
“There are good backroom staff at Arsenal, Steve Bould, Neil Banfield, Terry Burton – all top football people – but they can’t challenge him because Wenger is a dictator. Look at the relationship between Wenger and Bould on the touchline – they hardly speak.
“Why on earth would you appoint someone like Steve Bould, a good coach who did a great job with the youth team and has a sound understanding of the game and then not let him do any of the coaching? I’m told he hardly gets to do any at all.
“Arsene Wenger doesn’t see the danger, he doesn’t read the game. When things are going wrong and the team are making mistakes, he doesn’t rectify them and the reason he doesn’t is because he doesn’t know what the mistakes are.
“In my view it was time up for him three or four years ago. The fans have stuck by him, they always say ‘In Arsene We Trust’, but I don’t think that can be the case anymore. Tactically Arsenal are all over the place, they are underprepared defensively, and he doesn’t understand the game well enough. If you have that combination, you will always lose several football games.
“The board won’t do anything because Arsene runs the board. He is a dictator; he was even part of the appointment of Ivan Gazidis. When the manager is appointing the chief executive you have a real problem.
“The board are happy with him; they are making a lot of money and getting into Europe every year. Arsene Wenger is happy enough with that but now the fans, who pay maximum dollar for their tickets here, are not.
“Wenger was responsible for costing the side the title four or five years ago when they were top of the table by five points with a game in hand. Last year he said the press are brainwashing the public, but the only person who is brainwashing people is Arsene Wenger.
“Arsenal have good players. Good but not great. With a better manager the team would be much improved.
“There are so many easy things they can rectify and if they did that they would have a much better chance of winning things, but having Wenger in charge doesn’t let them do that.”
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got this news acc to arsenal sources can’t confirm it Wenger and chief executive Ivan Gazidis held 2 hour meeting this afternoon.He will be given substantial transfer kitty in January things needs to change & hopefully this time it will in jan
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I think AW needs to move on as his legacy is now doomed or tell us the truth about our club. I for one am an Arsenal supporter and I would like to know what the hell is happening with the coaching and money that is poured into Ashburton Grove.
If someone had the decency to come out and say we have underestimated funds and the five year project then we probably wouldn’t be giving them such a hard time.
But because They are playing us and the press at the same time, who do you blame.
Crikey, Everton have no money but at least they give us good as they get without any pretence. But is that the board or the manager?
I can clearly see a division between the hierarchy, the fans and the team. And like feck am I going without venting my frustration.
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Omglol You are a classic example of fan in denial living in the past. How can you call us fans plastic when we have stuck with Arsenal over the last seven years, after all our best players were sold, after not winning a damned thing!? I have been supporting Arsenal since 87, that is the majority of my life. How dare you call us plastic fans when only an absolute idiot still thinks everything is fine at AFC? We are making a noise BECAUSE we love our club so much and we see her on a downward spiral to mediocrity. Since when was it ok for teams like Spurs, Everton, West Brom and fking Swansea to be better than us? Nevermind Chelsea and City. Since when did we bend over for Man United on the pitch and sell them the top goal scorer in the league? The more I think about it the more I get so f*cking angry. If Wenger was not being allocated enough money for players, THEN WHY DOES HE NOT LEAVE? THE MANS REPUTATION IS BEING TARNISHED BUT HE CASUALLY CARRIES ON HIS JOB LIKE HE HAS NOTHING TO LOSE AND COULDN’T GIVE A RATS ASS. Let’s not lie, this is the impression I get. He needs to grow a pair of balls and tell the board to either give him more resources to do his job properly, or find a club who will. But he won’t, simply because he is being paid a FAT salary to just keep us in the top 4. What a disgrace of a manager. I don’t care anymore about what he did 7 years ago. What he is doing now is spineless and lacks integrity. I don’t trust him anymore and can’t bare to look at his face. He is a liar always making excuses blaming our losses on the pitch, the weather, the ref, the linesman, injuries etc etc…the guy always has an excuse and never takes responsibility.
He plays Ramsey RW. Let me rephrase that. He plays Ramsey. He keeps playing Gervinho. He gives Djoure a contract extension. He buys players like Park and Santos. Park had like 2 games. Santos is an overweight, over the hill borra who would be better suited playing beach soccer back in Rio. He leaves Walcott on the bench. These are the type of players our manager signed and keeps relying on to win the league with? Sh*t I bet I could do a better job than Wenger quite honestly. Any manager with some experience could do a better job. We will not get rid of the board anytime soon. But at least we can fix part of the problem and replace Wenger. You can’t tell me the board have anything to do with Wenger playing Santos a full game against United when it was obvious to everyone he was owned by Valencia the whole game.
Fed up with the way things are and I want a change.
I want my Arsenal BACK!
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@ Leo
Do you believe the meeting took place?
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@leo and @zee
Totally agree, but even with a big transfer stash, how are we gonna get world class players to come to arsenal, when they can get higher wages else where?
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I don’t think anything will change at Arsenal at least until there are NO fans turning up for home games. Lets remember that Arsenal are the kind of club to let contracts run down to the point of no return and the players leave.
They will let the fans run out befor they change! Arsenal F.C have shown a complete lack of interest or ambition in attaining a “fair” and “possitive” relationship with anyone outside of the club walls instead, opting to raise prices and attempt to convince us that the club is being ran in the right manner. Well that is “BS”.
The fact that Arsene Wenger put out a squad as strong (crap) as that last night was a typical sign that even Arsene Wenger is under the pressure of feeling that Arsenal have to win some kind of silverwear to win the fans over. The gamble failed on an epic scale just like the gamble to buy “so-so” average players..
So, here we are.. we have a large stadium thats losing “bums on seats” game by game. Hibury was always full and paid for in full. That makes no sense to run a club like Arsenal?!*
On-ward and down-ward..
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No one is bigger than our club, not even Wenger
Wenger out, Guardiola in
Frank De Boer can be a wonderful alternative
We need change
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@ Big gun:
Totally agree.. everything you mention is spot on!!
AW Has bought SHITE, Plays people in the wrong positions and players that shouldn’t even be wearing the red & white..the frustration boils inside and at times the old ticker gets tested to heart attack proportions at the unbelievable ineptness at some players perfomances..
I am told that the clinical definition of insanity is the tendancy to do the same thing over and over again and expect different results.
Sanity of Mr Wenger anyone…?
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@leo
What use is substatial transfer kitty if wenger keeps shopping at Primark!
@lockyay
Apparently Robson has few friends at Arsenal, so its not just a blind rant or vendetta against Wenger!
Top Gooner!. Agree or not?:
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Arsenal isn’t supposed to be about Qualifying for things, it’s supposed to be about Winning. It’s like Wenger is setting his standards lower every year. His coaching skills are getting worse. Players with “potential” are getting worse. Gervinho and the like, would have at least learned to kick a ball (pass or shoot) under a a Manager who knew what he was doing. They are going backwards! Ferguson would have them playing proper Football or F##ked them out by now. Enough is enough! Sorry Arsene, love you but, it’s time to go.
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I think all Arsenal fans would agree that changes are essential and the sooner the better. It probably depends on what change is being called for as to how loud and prominent that call is. Right now, we have a decent enough squad that is simply underperforming with regularity. Whatever the reasons are, Wenger needs to tackle these issues and this is where change must begin. Tactics, training, man management, team selection? All fans want to see improvement starting NOW. As for being voiciferous and calling for change at board level and for Wenger to go, I still think this is a minority – it certainly seems to be amongst Arsenal fans I know. Such calls tend to be the most blatant and obvious demonstrations that fans can and do make as perhaps significant change seems to be the magic panacea. It also goes that when we are on a decent run the dissenters tend to go quiet and those pro-Wenger pipe up. Just human nature so, no doubt the ‘noise’ will sound different if we do manage to get a decent run going. Whilst in the longer term, Wenger may prove that he has come to the end of the road with Arsenal, I for one would not be calling for his head until at least the end of the current season. He’s a top coach and has every chance of turning this season round if he applies himself. I trust he knows the changes we need to make at ground level and trust he can implement those changes. Change has to begin with what he’s doing with the squad and it has to begin now.
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It is a stupid deduction to think that those calling for a change at Arsenal are in the minority. The situation at Arsenal is deteriorating to a point where those who make peaceful change impossible will make violent change inevitable. We are very passionate about our Arsenal, and should not be prisoners of inaction while Arsenal is destroyed. Things have got to change for good. Arsene has gone down in history as the only manager who did not need to win anything to keep his job.
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STEWART ROBSON U LEGEND, AT LAST SOMEONE WITH SINE BOTTLE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH. ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON.
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Arsene says the things he says because he loves Arsenal. Do you think he likes losing? Do you think he likes losing his best players every year? His hands are tied and he has become desperate. It seems to me that some of his player and tactical choices are made out of desperation. He’s doing the best with what he’s got and he’s quickly running out of options. I know Gervinho up front – or Gervinho playing for Arsenal – is ludicrous, but what other choice does he have? You can say he’s got better options, but if you look at the numbers, he has no other option. What Wenger has become a tragic figure and the only reason he should go is that he can salvage what is left of his legacy.
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Wenger is paid a fortune to keep the club highly profitable. The board are delighted to be getting richer without having to outlay very much. They are making mugs out of us and nothing will change while we line their greedy pockets. It sounds childish but if everyone stopped lining their pockets buying tickets and merchandise they would soon listen. Wenger honours his contracts which gets him filthy rich but surely he cant be happy working for a crap employer. Nothing will happen until we drop out of CL, gate numbers fall and the riches dry up for the board.
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Great Article.
A Letter from all fans to you Arsene, you are a Legend, become even greater by stepping aside as Coach, and continue your services within the board to keep improving the club you have helped to build.
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Sure. Only a minority wants the losing and poor play to stop, while the majority love the disaster of the past 2 seasons.
What a stupid assertion – Did Wenger promote this nonsense?
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If those who want change are a minority, why is it EVERY arsenal fan I come across says the same thing – “WTF is happening to us?” & “maybe it’s time for something to change?”
Thumbs up if you have come across the same experience.
Thumbs down if you never hear that from an Arsenal fan you talk to.
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Wenger has lost it – completely. Starting Ramsey in a key game is worse that starting with 10 men. And yet Wenger does it.
You have to wonder. Wenger must see Ramsey giving the ball away and passing the ball backwards all game. And he must know that his transfer decisions have killed the team.
The only remaining conclusion – he is living in a fantasy of years past and pretending that his past successes will drive a poor team to achieve greatness.
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Robson was fired by Arsenal for poor perfomance, he lacks technical depth, the only job he has now is to rant on television, he still can’t bear the fact that he was shown the door at Emirates, what did he win for Arsenal in his days? gooners stop listening to such men, maybe he should go and manage a team and we will access him… Up gunner!
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I think that all Arsenal fans should be more than worried, afraid of what might happen, I just hope I am wrong or it might take a decade or even longer to put right the damage that I believe is being done now.
So to be sure what do we do, sit on our hands and trust in Arsene and with his track record over the last few years not being that good should we trust when all the signs are that there is no one at the helm who knows what they are doing.
Should we trust AW when his best players obviously dont and are jumping ship. If it was so good at the Emirates why year after year do the best players leave. In any other business AW would be kept because the business makes a healthy profit and the workers are paid below the market rate. which is right as they are inferior to the ones they have replaced.
SO I SAY AGAIN, WHAT EVIDENCE IS THERE THAT AW SHOULD BE TRUSTED UNLESS YOU ARE A SHAREHOLDER AND ON A NICE LITTLE EARNER OR THE SILENT ONE AND HIS HENCHMAN WHO ARE I BELIEVE ASSET STRIPPING THE GUNNERS.
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After the match yesterday, I pointed out something I saw that lends credence to what some of these ex players are saying. I asked people here if any other person saw it.
When it was time to select the penalty takers, I noticed how Steve Bould was standing aloof as if to say that he has no part to play in there. In other teams, when it comes to crucial times like that, you see the managers and assistants and pretty much everyone huddled together and deliberating on the decision. I didnt see that yesterday. I totally believe Bould is being stifled.
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@Big guns, what more can I say? You said it all. I have said times without number on this forum and elsewhere that AW is the major problem at Arsenal. Why? He has become a cult figure and an untouchable. In collaboration with P.H.Wood he engineers Dein’s exit, influence appointment of Kroenke & Co to the board through sales of shares (D,Fizman/P.Wood) to Kroenke to frustrate Usmanov. He is considered dangerous to this atrocious agenda because he would not buy his crap greedy and outdated business model and can in turn fire Wenger if he performs below expectation. Even Gazidis own up to the fact Wenger controls and dictates transfer policy apart from his regular job of fixing match tactics and players selection. Wenger has his hands full of everything that should not be top priority of a manager. So he with Wood remains de facto “Alan Sugar” at AFC, the fans and players are his apprentice. Hence he’s so comfortable to a state of inertial that he doesn’t need to do much except to balance the book. He will rarely have the same power elsewhere. This perfectly massage his ego and have clearly rob him the hunger to succeed on the pitch. This priority for financial success is what is back-fires on all fronts for all to see now, beginning from 2005. It is a Ten year plan according to Gazidis. If anybody out there still think Wenger is sub-ordinate to the board they have to think again. It is all a charade. Le Prof. is too shrewd, crazy, arrogant,stubborn and conceited to be pushed around by anyone. In fact he runs the show, simple. He is dictator of the highest order that brooks no opposition. Even the invicibles can testify to that. Gazidis recently admit that Wenger runs the show, others are lame ducks. Any wonder why he defends the indefensible concerning the board and the team most times? Because the bucks stop at his table. He shares the same fraudulent vision with this board excluding the fans and the players which explains are not be ready change course. This has adversely affected players motivation to perform to expectation apart from the fact they are mostly mediocre. At least Bradford, Norwhich, and Swansea (to mention) a few prove even a motivated mediocre team can still have a winning mentality and be driven, but it all start with the manager. That is what he’s being highly paid for not a business manager. This is the basic difference between AW and SAF now. SAF practically begs Man Utd board for money to acquire RVP at all cost. That is ambition! When was the last time Wenger does that. Fellow gunners, it is for these reasons the change has to begin with Wenger at the end of this season whatever happens. The problem would have been have solved then and we can focus on the shylock board. The deluded Wengerites are the minority this time around. Long live AFC!! – no one is bigger than you,
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@Snakeoil
The assertion that the ‘time for change’ is the vocal minority came from a Gooner who made that assertion. Obviously he was in the ‘steady as we go’ camp.
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Fact…the blackscarf protest was a failure
Fact…the blackbin protest was a failure
Fact…Stewart Robson was afailure, not a legend
Fact…Arsene even after seven years without a trophy is still the most successful manager in our history
Fact…In two years time we will be debt free unlike any other top five club in the world
Fact…If the board and owner do not want to leave there is nothing we can do
Fact…You spineless whinging apologist for supporters should take you heads out of each others backside, grow a pair of your own, have some original ideas, change your name to Adam Kemp and wear your white shirts with your blue cock(erel)with pride and f**k off down the road
Fact…Kemp has asked for you lot to support him outside the ground next home game…lets see how many bother to turn up for that one..maybe 0.4% and all from the prawn brigade of so called gooners
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Just another FACT FOR YOU PRAWN BRIGADERS…who was it who lost at home to league two opposition Leeds Utd (remember them…tried to buy glory) in the carling cup two years ago?
Oh yes..the mighty manure and blue nose SAF…what happened with their supporters?…they never deserted the “sinking ship” like rats did they? They showed the faith, kept the ship afloat and the rest is history.
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KEN PLS SHUT UP
BIG GUN YOU ARE LOST MEN PLS READ THIS
Arsenal is down, we the fans must change something.
We must protest for changing the board, to give money and we the fans can do what we want if we stand together because Arsenal leaves from fans money not for something else if we protest, not going to matches they the board will be force to make are demands reality. So BIG GUN if you are right for what you said then when the board leaves or say that they will give money THAN we will se what Wenger will do, so if he fail you are right but if he lift the team with the transfers you are wrong.
BUT the most important is that if or is not Wenger dictator, the board is to blame, because if they want Arsenal to do better they would have sad something, and that is final.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF WE:
1. SACK WENGER
the board will get some new coach and do you think that the board will give him money to spend ???? NO
after 20 games they will sack him and they will say we will find new manager and so on. And after that we will become relegation candidates.
2. SACK THE BOARD or GIVE BIG MONEY FOR TRANSFERS
Wenger will stay and he will get players(if BIG GUN is right he will not spend to much so), if he not do well job there is the summer we will suck him(and we will steal have money for the next manager).
IF THE BOARD LOVED ARSENAL THEY WILL NOT LET :
FLAMINY, HENRY, VAN PERSEY, FABREGAS, NASRY, SOL CAMBEL, TOURE LEAVE OR THEY HAD SAD SOMETHING. THE BOARD HAVE THE CONTROL BUT THEY WANT MONEY AND THAT IS FINAL, IF THEY DIDNT WANT MONEY THEY HAD STOP SOME OF THE TRANSFERS, NO ONE WHO LOVED ARSENAL WOULD HAVE OR WILL HAVE SELL THE PLAYERS OR SELL THE PLAYER TO MAN UTD OR TOTENHEM, OR SELL TO A CLUB HALF OF YOUR TEAM TO LET THEM WIN TITLES. NO ONE NO ONE
so if he or is not Wenger dictator the board is to blame the are not motivated or they have some love for Arsenal and that is final. THAT IS A FACT
the board they all want to think that wenger is to blame, because they will still have the control past 10 years they get so so money that they have nothing to lose if Arsenal become midd table club.
FOR 7 YEARS ARSENAL HAVE GAIN MORE MONEY FROM SELLING PLAYERS THAN SPENDING FOR TRANSFERS. WHERE ARE THE MONEY THEY ARE NOT IN THE POCKET OF WENGER THERE ARE IN THE BOARD POCKET.
WHERE IS THE BOARD TO GO PUBLIC AND SAY WE WILL GIVE 100M FOR TRANSFERS WHERE ARE THEY?????
WHERE IS THE BOARD TO SAY WE WANT TITLES SO WE WILL NOT SELL PLAYERS EVEN IF WE NEED TO LET HIM GO FOR FREE BECAUSE WE WANT MONEY WHERE IS THE BOARD????
we all know that Wenger have mistakes in his tactics, but how can you say that he dont know to buy player, he BOUGHT ANELKA HENRY VAN PERSY TOURE CLICHY FLAMINY FABREGAS, WISHERE, BERCKAMP, FOR LESS THAN 30M,
the time has change you cant now days buy so cheap world class players THERE THE BOARD NEEDED TO GIVE MONEY.
DO YOU ALL FORGET THAT USMANOV SAD TO THE BOARD ‘F**CK YOU ALL I WILL GIVE THE F***ING 2M TO GET ARSHAVIN DO YOU FORGET THAT ? WHERE IS OR WAS THE BOAR FOR FLAMINY TO SAY OK WE WILL GIVE HIM 20K MORE OR NOW FOR WALCOT JUST TO RESIGN HIS CONTRACT. WHERE ARE THEY????? THEY CAN ALL SAY WENGER HAVE PRINCIPELS AND WE ARE OK FOR THAT BUT WE WANT TO GIVE THEM THE 20K WHERE ARE THEY???
NO THEY JUST COUNT THE MONEY THAT THEY HAVE AND WILL HAVE IF WE NOT PROTEST TO SELL OR TO GIVE MONEY.
LOOK ARSENAL HAVE AT LEAST 2M FUNS SO EVERY F***ING OF US TO GIVE 1000P WE CAN BUY THE TEAM AND HAVE 500M FOR TRANSFERS.
PLS UNDERSTAND THAT THE BOARD HAVE AND HAD AND WILL RUIN ARSENAL NOT WENGER.
THEY THE BOARD RUIN ARE HISTORY WITH THIS PAST 2 YEARS SELLING ARE PLAYERS TO RIVALS THAT THEY WON TITLES, do you think wenger wanted to do that, ok maybe wenger have mistaken for that but he have not the control, so if the board loved the club they wouldnt let that to happen.
SO PLS IF YOU ARE BLAMING SOME ONE BLAME THE BOARD NOT WENGER.
its easy to blame wenger, the board wants to do that.
SO PLS IF YOU ARE BLAMING SOME ONE BLAME THE BOARD NOT WENGER.
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Wengerites n AKB’s please bring facts 2 da table wen makin ur case,the truth is EVERYTHIN wenger has achieve has been by fluke,the man neva was a top/world class manager n never will be,dats obvious 2 any1 who knows anythin bout football tactics/coachin,n 2 all da idiots who keep askin “who will replace him” do us all a favour n jus stop fuckin talkin/writin,considerin there’s loads of former world class professionals who r now managers n know the game inside out only a fool would ask dat,don’t give a damm how many thumbs downs I get,I went on your on sky sports phone in nearly 10 years ago n complained bout the same things we’r all complainin bout 2day,so nothin has changed things hav jus got worse n its a shame things need 2 get dis bad b4 certain people engage n use their brains 2 see wats right under their noses,wenger out wenger out wenger out,n those ov u who love him beta pray he goes cos 1 way or anotha it will,n I’m prepared 2 do jail time 4 it,I’m dat pissed off now
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i cant stand when those plonkers say “plastic fans”. Why should we have to leave the club we love because we want better performances and a bit of a shake up of things. if you want the club to keep going on the same path, well good for you,just get over yourselves and take a good hard look at where we are as a club right now. Arsene Wenger was a hero at this club but there is seriously a time in any managers life to step aside and let his successor take his place. As for the board, i have nothing to say other than they are a disgrace. i cant stand that an american has major ownership
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thevoiceofreason
pliss go tell this to chelsey, real madrid, milan, inter, juventus, liverpool. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY MANAGERS DID THEY CHANG IN THIS PAST 5 YEARS ???
chelsey – more than 5
real madrid – 3
milan – 3
inter – more than 4
juventus – more than 3
liverpool – more than 3
because they didnt had money for transfers for past 5 years??????
chelseay – more than 300m spend
hazard, malouda, tores, zhirkov, mosey, anelka, mata, lukaku, ramu, luis, cahil, marko and so on
madrid – more than 300m spend
ronaldo, kaka, xabi, ozil, albiol, arbeloa, carvalho, gago, di maria, benzema, kedira, sahin, altintop and so on
milan – 150m spend
ronaldinho, beckam, robinho, ibrahimovic, nocerino, montolivo, thiago silva, pato, borielo, pazini and so on
inter – 150m spend
lucio, pandev, pazini, ibrahimovich, silvestre, thiago mota, guarin, snaider, palacio, milito, ranocia, handanovich and so on.
juventus – more than 200m spend
pele, mauri, diego, felipe melo, qurarela, at least 15players in the past 5 years and so on
liverpool – more than 150m spend
at least 10players in the past 5 years and so on.
so tell me pls why did they change so many managers ????
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P.S IN THE PAST 5 YEARS
MORINHO couch 3 of them
BENITES couch 3 of them
LEONARDO couch 2 of them
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Plastic fans my ass!!!,since wen has winnin or wantin 2 win meant we r wrong 4 expectin dat,n all dis bollocks ov arsenal were in 6th n 8th crap needs 2 stop,I’m old enuff 2 remember arsenal titles dat wernt delivered by wenger,so if anythin its the AKB’s who r da plastic fans 4 4gettin 2 put club b4 ANY 1 individual,n if u AKB’s had any decency ud walk away from arsenal wen wenger does cos its clear as day dat u guyz loyalty is 2 wenger and not da club,n arsenal football club deserves people with winnin mentalities,dat every1 from da manager down 2 da players and da fans,n incase u don’t see where dis attitude gets u,I bet money on most ur kids turnin out 2 b losers in wateva they do,cos let’s not 4get “its da takin part dat counts”…..wat a crock of shite!!! ….n 4 da record we da real fans can handle losing,dats not da issue,its how u lose dats the issue n how u go about fixin dat issue dat counts,wenger won 2 titles wid sum1 elses back 4,n another title wid 11-14 seasoned international players,so b4 u go hailing wenger as da second coming of christ,go back n analise his record season by season n ul see he was neva that great,aint now ant will neva b,wenger out!!
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thevoiceofreason
YOU DIDNT ANSWER THE QUESTION?
If you were or some day you will be a real fan you had know why is this happening. I do love Arsenal, and i respect Wenger because i always loved how Arsenal play they are only team in the WORLD that can say we are playing real football, they do not cheat, they do not do the modern things to get points, and they play real football for watching not just to get points. NO OTHER CLUB CAN SAY THAT
And you must understand that the BOARD sold the best players NOT WENGER when you understand that you than you know that the first thing is to change the BOARD and then Wenger and so on if needed.
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2 admin,U f****ts need 2 stop taking posts down,dis is england n da last time I checked it was a country of free speech
ADMIN COMMENT – Your name obviously doesn’t reflect you nature. If you read the guidelines above it says NO SWEARING and NO ABUSE..Do you want to work out for yourself why your posts don’t appear? And how come you spell the swearwords correctly but not the simple stuff?
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I READ THE NEWS AND I KNOW THEY DONT LIKE ARSENAL SO THEY ALL BLAME WENGER.
DO WENGER BUILD A STADIOUM OR THE BOARD?
BOARD
DO WENGER MADE WAGE STRUCTURE OR THE BOARD ?
BOARD
DO WENGER SELL PLAYER OR THE BOARD ?
BOARD
DID WENGER TILL 2005 MADE GREAT TEAM BEFORE WE NEED TO GO TO THE NEW STADIUM?
YES
WHO TAKE PROFIT FROM THE CLUB WENGER OR THE BOARD ?
BOARD
IN THE PAST 10 YEARS WE HAD MADE PROFITS FROM IN/OUT TRANSFERS SO WHEN DID THE BOARD GAVE WENGER MONEY TO BAY PLAYERS?
DID WENGER SAY THAT HE DONT WANT TO SELL NASRY OR VAN PERSEY OR FABREGAS OR FLAMINY, WHY DO YOU ALL THINK THAT IS WENGER TO BLAME IS WENGER IS EVERYTHING IN ARSENAL ????? WHERE IS THE BOARD??????
I DO NOT DEFEND WENGER I JUST WANT TO EXPLAIN WHO IS BIGGEST BLAME AND WHO RUIN ARSENAL, I WILL SUPPORT SUCKING WENGER BUT AFTER CHANGING THE BOARD OR AFTER THEY GIVE WENGER BIGGER WAGE STRUCTURE AND 100M POUNDS FOR TRANSFERS.
PLS COMMENT WHAT DO YOU THINK
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right before i start going to say well done to the fans at the last home game there was an atmosphere for once finally people singing
On change well i dont know. apart from gervinho and ramsey, our team is AMAZING!!! No real talk guys and girls, we just need to change our playing style. STOP CROSSING THE F13KING BALL ALL THE TIME! WE ARE SH4T AT IT!! play through the middle, make runs, through balls ect. this crossing bullsh4t has got to stop. the right subs at the right time. players allowed to shoot when they want, influance from the whole coaching staff. play 442, 433,4321 not this 451 crap! if these are done and some more fresh blood comes in january comes in i think we will be fine. O good bye walcot thanks for nothing you greedy £$%$£”!!!!
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DEAR FANS,
THE ANSWER TO SUCH STURBORN, SELFISH AND GREEDY BOARD AND MANAGER IS TO LAY DOWN OUR TOOLS ie ABNDONING ARSENAL MATCHES AND REFUSAL TO PAY FOR THEIR SEASONAL TICKETS.
FAILURE TO GET INCOME IS WHAT CAN FORCE THE SELFISH, GREEDY BOARD TO LESTIN TO THE ENDLESS CONCERNS OF FANS.
OTHERWISE, SO LONG AS THE BOARD CONTINUES MAKING PROFITS FOR THIER POCKETS, NOISE WILL NOT MAKE THEM CHANGE.
THEY WILL ALWAYS GIVE US THE SAME LAME EXCUSES WHY THEY ARE NOT PERFORMING.
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someone on here mentioned that Arsene Wenger changed aresenal from a team in the top 6 often finishing about 10th to a great side that win things. That needs further examination because it simply isn’t true
George Graham
1986-87 – 4th, won league cup
1987-88 – 6th – RU league cop
1988-89 – 1st
1989-90 – 4th
1990-91 – 1st
1991-92- 4th
1992-93 – 10th – FA CUP and League Cup double
1993-94 – 4th and CUP WINNERS CUP
1994-95 – 12th
Thats a trophy in 6 seasons out of 9, and 7 trophies over all in 9 seasons. Yes there were peaks and troughs but we have to remember that back then it wasn’t top four into champions league it was top 1 and a domestic cup meant far more to the fans than finishing 4th did.
We need to break the myth that Arsene totally reinvented our club. We were successfull before and we will be successful afterwards. Arsene brought success but has not achieved any at all for 8 years and is using the myth he has created to justify his position.
Arsene if you wish to carry on as Arsenal manager show a little bit more respect for the traditions of this club which existed long before you, show a little respect and take a little responsibility for the teams actions.
Whether or not the board throw money at you you have a 70M+ team that failed to beet bradford who assembled a squad for under 1M!
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i think that one way or another Wenger will be gone for next season my question will be for all that want now to sack wenger is:
When the next season it will get like this what do you all will do sack manager or blaming the board ?
one way or another we have huge problem with the board manager comes and goes players comes and goes but what will we do with the board ????
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All gooners at heart want change! first Wenger because his method and philosophy are not relevant nowaday, than change the wage structure than change the BOARD!.
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