Arsenal’s Ben White ignored by Gareth Southgate once again

LONDON, ENGLAND - JANUARY 15: Ben White of Arsenal prepares to take a throw in during the Premier League match between Tottenham Hotspur and Arsenal FC at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium on January 15, 2023 in London, England. (Photo by Catherine Ivill/Getty Images)

The Ben White Question – Again! by Dan Smith

It’s becoming a tradition on every international break to question why Arsenal’s Ben White is not in the England squad?

The Gunner came home early from the World Cup with the official explanation being ‘personal reasons’.

Yet any issues that meant he couldn’t be in Qatar didn’t prevent him from within days, joining up with his club teammates in Dubai.

Rumours have circulated that there was a row with Steve Holland, the player was a bit of a loaner, or simply that he told his national boss what he thought of his tactics.

White hasn’t been called up by his country since.

This is where Gareth Southgate is valuable to the FA. He’s very good at answering questions in a diplomatic way while having a decent enough relationship with the media, where they are not going to push on a subject they know not to.

I’m an English Gooner so I have an interest in both camps.

I have defended Southgate in the past in having zero choice but to contradict himself.

When he accepted his current job, he spoke about players needing to be playing regular to be in his thoughts.

He quickly realised that based on that criteria he wouldn’t be able to submit a squad.

So, I have defended the 53-year-old when feeling he doesn’t have better replacements for a Maguire or a Phillips.

I understand that it was best to avoid the headache of dropping a player who’s just moved to Saudia Arabia.

I even accept that White plays mostly in a position where the Three Lions are spoilt for choice.

There’s a footballing argument to be made that James and Arnold are more attacking full backs and that in many ways White is a victim of his own versatility.

Arteta has so much faith in his defenders footballing intelligence, he starts him on the right and the player plans when to step into the middle. For his first three fixtures of this season, it was the other way around.

It’s okay if two managers simply want different things from that position.

Yet White has been outstanding for so long that increasingly it’s harder to trust Southgate ‘s words.

Not just does White fulfil the desired specification of playing every week at the highest level, he did it for a team who finished 2nd in the league last campaign.

He was my Gunner of the season.

He’s got every right to question why that’s not enough to add to his caps, but players who have barely played in the last month or have moved to League’s less competitive get selected?

Heck, it must be awkward when he congratulated Eddie Nketiah on being called up without seeing the irony.

If you compare the two players body of work, how can Eddie be deemed suitable but not White?

Southgate said this week he didn’t feel the need to ring White and explain his thought process unlike in the last break. That simply, ‘there are those ahead of him’.

Again, on sporting merit it’s okay for a coach to not rate you better then Trippier, AA or James.

The issue is, the last two on that list are injured!

Who’s been called up as a replacement?

Nobody!

So, to clarify. White, last December good enough to be in a squad when two of those names were fit, can’t now get in when two are on the sidelines?

We are meant to believe England are better for having one right back then none.

What harm would it have been to have White even as an extra body in training?

Clearly you think he has ability; else you wouldn’t have taken him to a tournament?

His relationship with the press might mean that Southgate doesn’t have to answer those questions.

White himself is laid back enough to most likely accept he’s not wearing the white shirt till there is a new boss.

This is a young man who admits to not loving the game, he just happens to be good at it.

This is just a job to him.

It might be that outlook which causes a disconnect when working for someone who was a modern professional?

Yet, he’s good enough for Arteta?

A manager with ‘non-negotiable’ principles, who wouldn’t tolerate a poor attitude?

Ben White, you are appreciated in North London if nothing else.

Dan

58 Comments

    1. Southgate is too static in his approach , like big Sam the modern game is quickly leaving the Englishman

  1. Can’t really blame Southgate, because White is obviously more suited to the right-CB role in a three-CB formation and the RB role

    There are many good English defenders for White’s best positions, so I understand why Southgate chose other CBs

    We should be happy, because White could avoid injuries and focus more on Arsenal

          1. Where did GAI say anyone is better or worse than the other? Just said there are many good options

            White is a terrible CB, there’s a reason he’s been playing RB for us

            1. Yeah so what are the better options ?
              Your not going to pick players ahead of him unless you think they are better are you ?

          2. Maguire, Stones and Dunk are better in the air. It’s arguable in other aspects, but Maguire and Stones were also rarely beaten in ground duels

              1. White plays like kolasinac who also send the ball backwards than forward except few times, when he moves forward and constitutes some threat. He does not lose balls often in a game but he does not advance with the ball; White’s contributions in a game is minimal, except by surprise. Why should Southgate of all managers prefer him to the many competing with him for a space in England’s team.

    1. Well, I consider Southgate a regular coach who isn’t tactically astute. Sorry,, in my opinion he can’t win major trophy for England. I mean with array of players for England they remain “almost achievers” As for White, we are lucky he wasn’t chosen. At least it would save him injury and enable him concentrate on Arsenal. He’s been doing well for us.
      Good luck to England

      1. Agreed. England will never win anything with Southgate. You have some incredible players but he can’t get the best. He just have favourites for what ever reason. I thought it was telling that he dropped sterling but not maguire lol

      2. Southgate liked to play safe. But if Argentina’s manager could win the World Cup, I bet Southgate could at least win Euro with luck

    2. England is a team where pretenders are selected not contenders so they are ever pretenders in any competition. Players are selected according to their hype but not talent and player with most hype are young players. 16-18yr walcot, wilshere, chamberlain, Sancho, Greenwood, Abraham, Delle Ali, Dier and countless other can get selected but all these players are not up to the standard when they got more mature and experienced. Now Saka, Ballingham, Foden are able to keep their place in the team but don’t know what will happen tomorrow. Just one thing never change for English team and that is Lord Maguire. He will still be playing in England team with one broken leg. Southgate is good for U-21 team where he belongs. It’s same as if you are in a Rolls Royce and then handover the steering to a 5 yr kid to drive. England team have luxury to have 100mil players in almost each position and yet they are driving by a person with IQ of 5 yr old.

  2. As is documented, Gareth Southgate has his favourites. That include club subs who haven’t even played for their clubs in months. Seems like you’re either in his circle or out. Surely the FA will have to start questioning his selection process?

  3. I was told it was not a footballing issue but i wont get involved on this site what i know. In any case White would not be first choice in any position.

    1. Come on Reggie
      Share the gossip 🙃
      On the other side of it we all know Southgate has a preference for certain players
      Bet he regrets ever mentioning that he only picks players playing regularly for there clubs

      1. Not a fan of Southgate AB, i feel he is wasting a golden generation, that wont last. His style of football is safe, not expansive and i always feel, we dont utilise our strengths. I think another manager would have won a major cup with his squad.

        1. Seconded Reggie regarding Southgate who is the nearly man. Safe is spot on

          A shame that White’s return home means that a call up won’t be beckoning

          1. Good evening SueP
            Long time
            Do hope you are good
            I Third on that as well you two
            I do Applaud him on taking us from where we’re to where we are now
            We were terrible
            I would just like him to take more risks as you already said Reggie
            To safe

            1. Great thanks Alanball08
              Currently enjoying the Dordogne with hubby and dog. Missed the ManU thriller though
              Southgate has done lots of things well as I too agree with you that he took on a sinking ship and steadied it. It’s just not been quite enough. No X factor

    2. Did he call him big nose like the Romford Pele did whilst at Middlesbrough and low and behold his game time diminished

        1. White plays like kolasinac who also send the ball backwards than forward except few times, when he moves forward and constitutes some threat. He does not lose balls often in a game but he does not advance with the ball; White’s contributions in a game is minimal, except by surprise. Why should Southgate of all managers prefer him to the many competing with him for a space in England’s team.

  4. Perhaps the Media should make a point of addressing questions concerning the absence of Ben White to Steve Holland?

  5. We’re not even sure if Ben White would be interested in playing international football again. And for that, I wouldn’t blame him. International football is so boring and dull. It’s more interesting to watch wet paint dry.

  6. Gareth Southgate is too poor to be the coach of the England national team. It is a disguised sacrilege!

    Gareth Southgate is a ManUnited fan.
    He is already a failure as England coach long before now.
    He has refused to improve on his game tactics. More worse is that his eyes for correct player quality remains dim.
    And that’s playing in his head against Ben White.

    Whether Southgate likes it or not, Ben White is a better fullback than Luke Shaw, Wan Bissaka, Diogo Dalot, Kieran Trippier and Reece James.

    The only English fullback that is clearly ahead of Ben White in the EPL right now is Kyle Walker.

    Gareth South will never ever win anything for England until he understands who a proper sideback is and the qualities that make a proper side defender in modern football.

    Gareth Southgate will be surely disgraced from his England appointment, except he correct his ways and make amends with Ben White.

    Fingers crossed!

      1. Gareth Southgate is too poor to be the coach of the England national team. It is a disguised sacrilege!

        Gareth Southgate is a ManUnited fan.
        He is already a failure as England coach long before now.
        He has refused to improve on his game tactics. More worse is that his eyes for correct player quality remains dim.
        And that’s playing in his head against Ben White.

        Whether Southgate likes it or not, Ben White is a better fullback than Luke Shaw, Wan Bissaka, Diogo Dalot, Kieran Trippier and Reece James.

        The only English fullback that is clearly ahead of Ben White in the EPL right now is Kyle Walker.

        Gareth South will never ever win anything for England until he understands who a proper sideback is and the qualities that make a proper side defender in modern football.

        Gareth Southgate will be surely disgraced from his England appointment, except he correct his ways and make amends with Ben White.

        Fingers crossed!

        May be I should ask how many trophies he has won for England since he took over?

        He will continue to achieve nothing because he has tactically stalked.

        Even the likes of Ancelloti, Guardiola, Mourinho, Klopp etc all continue to evolve with their game plan and choice of personnel quality both for defending and attacking positions to suite modern football.

        It will remain a vicious circle for the England team, so long Southgate continues to look away from Ben White in a side defender role ahead of Luke Shaw, Wan Bissaka, Diogo Dalot, Kieran Trippier, Ben Chilwell, and Reece James.

        Ben White is clearly ahead of all Southgate’s choices in the side defence excepting Kyle Walker.

        1. Not sure why Diogo Dalot and all the left backs are present in your list though as neither is Dalot an Englishman nor could change allegiance now he’s a first team int’l for the Portuguese national team and FYI white does’nt play LB (Inverted or conventional).

        2. last game vs untd he failed to mark Rashford who scored their goal and about to score two more.He is a center back rather than full back.I believe Timber and under 21 Reuel Walter’s are more capable to play the role.

      2. PAT
        I think Southgate has done a great job for us. Got a excellent record
        Took us from no where to a team feared
        BUT
        not sure he has the killer instinct to see us over the line to get us the trophy we crave for
        As Reggie said
        To safe
        When we do play expansive football we look great
        We have players and the capability to blow most teams away doing it
        Problem is his instinct is to revert back to safe football
        Against Italy was a prime example
        Scored to early and sat back and paid the price
        Italy was a good team but not a great team and same team that didn’t make the world Cup
        Winning it would have made us bullet proof as in mentality

        1. England have gone deep in tournaments during the last few years.
          Much of the criticism of Southgate is over the top. Yes, his approach is “safe” but the assumption that if England played more expansively they would blow all opponents away is naive. His approach has ensured that England is quite a dangerous team for any other international team to face at a major tournament.
          However, England are not the only team with talented players and the margins are slim in tournaments. Most winners have had an element of luck going their way.
          At times, a team (e.g. Italy) put together a superb run which gives them momentum through a tournament. Even then they needed penalties to win. Same for Argentina at the World Cup.

  7. White shouldn’t worry himself much but if he did, let it be a little. on his not getting a call up for the 3Lions next assignment of playing matches by Gareth Southgate the 3Lions boss.
    But rather, White should bid for his time. And await his next call up for England’s duty. Which can happen for him again. For, as long as he remains a top quality defender at Arsenal, he will have no worries in himself to worry about of not being called uo for England matches to participate in them. As the next 3Lions boss after Gareth Southgate could give him a call up.
    But for now, let White continues to be of top quality regularly for Arsenal and leaves the rest for the future.

  8. White shouldn’t worry himself much but if he did, let it be a little. on his not getting a call up for the 3Lions next assignment of playing matches by Gareth Southgate the 3Lions boss.
    But rather, White should bid for his time. And await his next call up for England’s duty. Which can happen for him again. For, as long as he remains a top quality defender at Arsenal, he will have no worries in himself to worry about of not being called up for England matches to participate in them. As the next 3Lions boss after Gareth Southgate could give him a call up.
    But for now, let White continues to be of top quality regularly for Arsenal and leaves the rest for the future.

  9. You forgot Kyle Walker is also a RB. as we all know White does’nt watch Football and having him sit on the bench to watch same football he is not interested him must have triggered his misery and allergy. not sure why anyone (gooners especially) should give a damn though cos it’s for our benefit if you care to look at the bigger picture.

  10. Don’t think he’d be called up if Pep or jose were to be hired, maybe Wiegman or anyone else will hand him a call up.

  11. Him not being selected has no reflection on his quality or performances. Same for Wan-Bisakka at Man U. And yet Phillips and Maguire are sure picks. All the oddity of Gareth Southgate so best leave him alone and ignore England until a proper manager can take charge. As long as our players come back uninjured and focussed we are all good.

  12. He has not been ignored, white is one of the most overated
    Players in the prem and would certainly not enhance England.
    There bloody well bad enough without White turning up.

  13. Ben White, our first choice right back, is more than good enough for England but when the manager is picking the likes of Maguire etc and not picking Sterling, it just says it all.

  14. Southgate was never successful because he is a diplomat. He plays safe and suspiciously nice to the English media. He don’t take risks and lack creativity. But he don’t get to fool everyone. Ben White excels at CB as well as RB. And the fact that Slabby Maguire is ahead of White is hilarious.

  15. As a Gooner who is massively concened with our club and not at all about any national team, I am very glad that White is not selected by England.
    I much prefer that none of our players ever play for their national teams, as that would help Arsenal.

  16. Get a grip Dan. Ben White is a good journey man without any outstanding quality, with the exception of a big heart in any of the positions he plays. Why get your knickers in a twist over a player who can at best be descry as ,,” useful”.

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