Sometimes you can have a theory without any actual proof. by Dan Smith
When you watch something enough times you can kind of read the room.
Based on how William Saliba reacted to the news of being loaned out twice by Mikel Arteta, I always felt he was going to be one of the hardest youngsters to convince to extend his deal.
I can see it from the players point of view. When he was adamant that he was good enough to get into one of our worst sides in Prem history, his manager wasn’t willing to even give him a chance. Yet when the defender proves he’s better then what we got, which he had already shown for years in France, suddenly now the club want to preach loyalty to him?
Phillipe Guillemet has confirmed this was the centre backs stance and that a ‘few things had to be ironed out’ between player and manager to convince the 22-year-old to sign a new contract, expected to be confirmed within days.
Saint Etienne’s then academy director told the AthleticDan
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ohh please no, these unfounded reports about Saliba have to stop. from my understanding contracts take time to negotiate and sort out, there’s always demands from the player’s side
Yes there was a massive problem between Arteta and Saliba and regardless of what some people think, he wanted out because he had no respect for the way he was treated. Having said that, it is great both have now put their differences aside and come out with total respect for each other. Great signing!!!
And how do you know about this? if he wanted out why did he not force his way out? am pretty sure he can get more (money, trophies) elsewhere. Until more reliable people confirm these, for me its still unfounded
Look, i knew before it was in the press and said so on here. I know, i have explained, i have no need to now. It doesn’t matter anyway because the outcome is great for all. And the Marseille academy president confirmed it. Ww all move on and hope Saliba does what he does best for Arsenal.
@Reggie,there are no longer any doubts that there were problems between MA and Saliba.according to people closed to him and OM insiders,had Arsenal been willing to sell him,he would have jumped at the chance to sign for Marseille.he really loves the city and especially the fans who showed him a lot of love.
@Siamois.
That’s ridiculous. A player that is not happy and want to move will force a move no matter what.. Trossard, RVP, CESC, Nasri, Adebayor, Sanchez etc..
Why would he stay under a manager that he doesn’t like or get on with? He could have run down his contract and left. He only had 12 months left. We were told that PSG and MADRID were preparing to snap him up.
Saliba had all the cards in his favour in this situation but the whole saga ended up like Saka’s own contract negotiations.
Saliba’s former coach,on a possible move to Marseille :
“It was nearly more than that: he adored the club, the atmosphere, the city. He felt part of the club in a way he never had in north London. Had Arsenal shown a willingness to sell him, it would have been his destination of choice.”
To put it in context, Saliba/OM asked for an option/obligation to buy him but Arsenal refused because they had the option of another year and could have sold him in the summer.so contrary to what you said Saliba didn’t have all the cards.
So you take a mundane statement and you absolutely blow it out of proportion.
So the only thing that forced him to extend his contract now is that Arsenal were not willing to sell him to OM? He had run out of options so took the worst option by extending with a manager that you guys have claimed mistreated him, hates him, can’t stand him etc? And didn’t you guys also claim that Saliba was already made up and might force a move away in order to highlight how his relationship with Arteta and the club had deteriorated beyond repair? But with all that he is willing to extend with the same poor man manager, dictator and authoritarian individual like Arteta? It maked absolutely zero sense.
Why didn’t he just run down his contract if thing were as bad as you guys have been assuring for a few seasons? Wouldn’t now be the perfect time for him to stick the middle finger at Arteta by running down his contract and moving to massive club OM in 12 months?
Instead of acknowledging that you were just projecting your own anti Arteta sentiment onto our players thinking they feel the same way you do, you refuse and continue to double down on your opinion even if the evidence keeps showing you guys made a mountain our of a molehill with this whole thing because that’s how you wished it was like.
Now that this Saliba saga has been proven to be just an overblown issue by the Anti Arteta brigade let’s see which player is next for them to try to use as a shield to hide behind.
We seem to be running out of these players now. Some tried it with AMN on here yesterday. But it ended in a whimper.
We will wait for your next player in the pipeline that Arteta has victimised.
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If you had read my initial comment carefully,I wrote that”it played a major role”,i never said this was the only reason.
Siamois, as I have said beloe, MA actually admitted he got it wrong, when he left Saliba out of all the competitions we faced.
I cannot see how anyone could argue against MA’s own words, but it’s all turned out positively….. if, of course, Saliba actually does sign the contract and there is nothing official from the club.
On the other hand, Mikel’s words actually came from the horse’s mouth so to speak. 😊
No one can argue with that!!(MA own words).
The treatment of being sent on loan twice was part of the development that has made William to come out very strong and compete for his place in the first 11 not that rubbish you are writing
@Reggie clutching at straws.
Assured us all of how the team was not happy working under Arteta due to his dictatorial / Authoritarian (my way or the high) mentality. How the likes lt Saliba, Gabriel, Saka, Martinelli etc wanted out. Lol
But instead of acknowledging that he was just projecting his own dislike of Arteta onto the players and moving on, he will keep trying to convince himself that he was always correct about the whole thing.
Reggie thinks that because he can’t stand / dislikes Arteta then the players must all surely feel the same way towards their manager.
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Arteta seemed to have learned the ruthlessness from Guardiola, who cast out Cancelo, Ibrahimovic, Eto’o, Hleb, Toure, Fabregas, Hart, Dante, Angelino, Otamendi and many more
Arteta seems to be doing it to Tierney as well and I fully support his decisions. In my opinion, the manager has the authority to select his own players, because he will be the first one axed if things go wrong
I believe a club should sign and sell players based on their system, not the other way around. Unless the manager can suddenly make a highly-effective system to accommodate the players’ abilities, as Ranieri did
If that was what Kroenke wanted, he should’ve gambled on Ranieri instead of the poor man’s Guardiola. No player and manager is bigger than the club, and I’m sure Arteta/ Edu will be sacked if Arsenal finish outside top four next season
Yeah but Guardiola won titles and CL
My problem with Arteta is he would pay an Ozil and Auba to sit at home and not replace them with anyone better at the time
Arteta could win a major trophy next season, if Man City get punished by the authorities
Guardiola never casted out Fabregas,,Fab’s first season at Barca was actually Guardiola’s last season there….the manager that sent Fabregas packing was Luiz Enrique
One could easily argue that Arteta’s master stroke of lending him out on loan severally was what Saliba required to prepare him both physically n mentally for the huge challenge being undertaken. IF it was difficult for him to accept that he wasn’t ready, even the better as it drove him to prove himself even more. I think players should be play, n managers should manage. You cannot be the player n manager rolled in one! As they say, it nothing personal(even Gundogan n De Bruyne faced the same challenge this season but dug in n proved themselves hence why they were back in the fold, Pap….
I think the Arsenal fans did well to let Saliba know just how much they appreciate the kid. It’d be difficult to move away from a side that you felt loved you very much. I’m delighted he’s staying he’s a proper player and could be elite fairly soon
And you think he’s staying because of the fans not the coach ?
No! He is staying because he is now in a happy place. What was that question for?
Because I don’t think any player would extend their stay if they have problems with coach. Players would never sign for any club if they’re not appropriated by a coach. The first and the biggest factor for a player is a coach. Fans come second, that’s my point
@Escapod303 is spot on,i believe it played a major role in his decision to stay.after several seasons on loans to different clubs,i bet all he wanted was somewhere he could call home,where he feels appreciated,a city he likes to live…. that’s the reasons he’d have signed for OM had he been for sale(Saliba’s own words about Marseille,their fans..)
So why didn’t Sanchez, Adebayor, Nasri, Cesc, Henry, RVP etc all stay?
Weren’t they some sort of cult heroes at Arsenal where they were adored? Their names were sang throughout the Emirates stadium, they were shown a lot of love by our fans but did that make them stay?
Xhaka, a player that was consistently abused, mocked, disrespected, booed nearly every other game for years by our fans ended up extending his contract after all that abuse. What does that say about that theory of feeling loved.? He is extended his contract because of his managers influence. If you trust the manager you extend the contract.
Xhaka was not shown that love but still stayed because the manager influenced him big time.
Singing a player’s name and showing love by the fans has little impact. The biggest impacts are: Wages, Manager and Club vision.
If it wasn’t for Arsenal loaning him out, he wouldn’t have developed into the player he is. He should be grateful. He seems a moody character, maybe that’s why he loaned him out, to get rid of that chip off his shoulder! Maybe it’s not him complaining. Sometimes the agent can stir things up. ( remember Anelka ).
Were you watching him before he signed for us?i was and I can tell you that he was already better than most of our CB’s.all he needed was to be given time to integrate,getting used to a new country,new language,new league,new teammates..(the same way Vieira was given).why do you think the biggest clubs were after him before we signed him?the way he played for us,he was already playing that way in France but because it was in la Ligue 1 people doubted if he could do it in the PL.having said that,sure the loans were beneficial but had MA kept him around the first team,giving him playing time say in cups competitions or when games were won , he’d won his place already.we have lost one season when it comes to Saliba.
I like your optimism GAI – What about thinking that we might win a major trophy because we deserve it, or is that beyond your belief regarding Arteta and his squad?
When he signed he was 18 or 19 then his parents died.
Mikel was very caring and compassionate in sending him back to France on loan.
NG, remember the year following his purchase by Arsenal, Saliba was loaned back to his selling club, St Etienne, as part of the contract of sale.
Finsihing 8th and 5th .. picking David Luiz , Mustafi , Holding when you could have had Saliba Is smart and astute ?
Who knew Saliba then? Why should anybody blame Arteta for not trusting an untested teenager to manage the defence? Any sensible manager would have acted like Arteta did. I strongly believe that the loans did a lot of good for Saliba. Can you imagine what would have happened to Saliba if he got injured in his maiden season? His career would most likely have ended then. He would have been frustrated on the bench until he maybe he would maybe ask to leave or be left to go for free or for peanuts. Everything has its right time.
It was nothing to do with the loans per se. It was what went on. Dan lays out the facts and thats how it is. It is all in the past, they have both got over it. We can all move on and look forwards to next season and harmony between them.
Correction: Should be: He would have been frustrated on the bench until he would maybe ask to leave or be left to go for free or for peanuts.
David, What bliss to see a fan who understands MA’s sensible thinking
As events have proved now that we have an established best CB since CAMPBELL. AND POSSIBLY DESTINED TO EXCEED EVEN HIM.
Who knew Saliba then ?
Deschamp who called him up for France ?
Marseille where he qualified for CL when we were not ?
David,
You are absolutely correct. Also Jon Fox too.
Dan is totally wrong. Accept it and move on Dan.
Just answering the question Jon
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The manager has to think of the club and the player. Expectations are higher now and harder decisions have to be made. None of us really know what goes on behind closed doors. The players have the agents in one ear and the manager in the other. Some players pick one over the other to influence their attitudes and decissions.
Arteta did well for Saliba who is now on top of the world because of that. I don’t know why someone thinks this was bad
Agenda driven. It’s the same anti Arteta group as always manufacturing gossip to outrage themselves.
Or maybe you should give up on your unfounded accusations that Arteta is a poor “man manager”.
After all, it looks like our “jewels” are renewing one by one. Surely, they wouldn’t do that, if they weren’t convinced about playing under Arteta.
That goes against their narrative.
Spot on Anders, I wonder why his former players is singing with us. Perhaps former Man.City players prefer a poor man manager 😂😂
What a load of crap.
My opinion without facts👍
When William Saliba came to Arsenal, Arteta was caught up in ‘control’ issues. He handled them badly as we all know. Saliba was treated abominably due to Arteta wanting to control everything. Arteta is a ‘control freak’. Nevertheless over time Arteta has mellowed and as he ‘cleansed’ the ego players from Arsenal, the younger guys have accepted his ‘control’. This last season has shown the results of this acceptance by the players. Can Arteta get the same level of control over more mature incoming players? I hope so. The younger players accept Arteta’s eccentricity, but will more experienced players accept it? João Cancelo would be perfect, as will Declan Rice. We know the Ozil/Aubameyang outcomes, so big ego’s are not welcome. Arteta’s apple-cart is easly upset. With the right signings….the sky is the limit.
Sean such a cheqap and lazily used phrase is “control freak”!
Lets examine who else, as managers, might well be regarded as lazily called “control freaks” shall we?
How about Fergie and Pep, two of the greatest and most long lasting successful managers of all time. CASE PROVED I rather think!
I suggest that instead of using that meaningless phrase, we look at managers who have a clear and bold sense of direction with the courage not to be blown off course by events.
John Fox
Arteta was a control freak…..I meant it. This site is open to all points of view. You demean so many people with your hubris and nonsense. The fact that Arteta has adapted is a credit to him. You compulsively attack posters on this site. What is a matter with you?
Seahn, I see it very differently from you. As do most others, to judge from the posts on here.
Or maybe it’s you the Arteta grudge holders that are the ones being forced to mellow out? What more can you moan about? You have thrown each and everything towards him trying to destabilise his vision and process all along since 2020. But it seems like nothing has stuck as he keeps getting on with his job.
Isn’t it?
Bravo!
Saliba lost his dad in 2018 and his mother in July 2020.
Saliba has never been treated bad by Arsenal. He was a boy with a huge loss in a foreign country. To let him play in France has become a win-win situation; and nobody can predict what would have happened if he had stayed in London.
I doubt that Saliba would have signed a new contract if he felt that Arsenal had been treating him bad.
Or, as we all know, some fans who have been claiming Arteta wasn’t good enough, are now desperately trying to cling on their “poor man management” theory/claim, as Arteta have shown what a great rebuild he is doing.
Or maybe people dont like facts, if it hurts their feelings.
What facts???
Or it could be both ?
You could say Arteta did a great job last season but has equally made mistakes ?
Good man management isn’t always to do, what the player himself thinks is right. In fact, it can often be great man management to get a player into situations, which he doesn’t like, but which will develop him in the long run.
The fact is, it was great for Saliba’s development to play in his home country, and he was for sure ready, when he finally came back to stay.
Could it be, that Arteta actually knows more about this than you and a few others?
I think there is a good chance, with all respect.
No because he got it wrong
The years Saliba were away Arteta failed
Saliba meanwhile was good enough to qualify for CL , get in Ligue one team of year and play for France at same time we were failing
Put it this way …..look at centre backs we had.
You truly saying Saliba couldn’t at least have competed
It is all hypothetical and nothing to do with facts.
You can’t automatically conclude that a very young player, who does well in his native France and in the French league also would have done just as well in the PL.
But one thing is for sure, he did develop very well on loan, and IMO there is a much better chance Arteta actually knew, what he was doing, than what “armchair” managers think they know.
No but you can watch the results unfold and say did it work ?
If Saliba got called up for France and qualified for the Champions League In a period we couldn’t finish top 4 it meant that decision failed
It is still hypothetical. Was it good for Saliba to develop in France? Absolutely.
Would it have been just as good in the PL at the time? Nobody knows.
Would Arsenal have done better then with a very young Saliba, who a qualified manager deemed not ready? Very, very doubtful to say the least.
In fact, you could just as easily say, had Arteta put him under pressure in the PL back then, not only would he have failed, and our results back then would have been just as bad or worse. It would also make it very doubtful Saliba would have become just as good this past season, and we could have been much worse off even today.
Dan
You are not comparing like for like. If you think Marseille would have got in the CL if playing in the EPL then that’s fair enough. But would they if up against City, Liverpool, Chelsea?
I think Saliba would have been better then Holding and before that Mustafi , Mari and Sokeritise
Dan, I agree with you 100% regarding Saliba.
But we have seen MA learning “on the job” and, in most cases, he has shown to be correct.
I don’t think ge handled Saliba well, as he himself has said…LET THAT SINK IN … he said he was wrong in his treatment of Saliba… surely that is what you’re saying in your article?
I believe these two adults have now mended fences and the outcome has been positive for everyone.
Very good precise article – lover it’s simplicity.
Well, I disagree.
It is quite clear that several people are trying to fit the outcome to their own particular narrative.
The so-called “mishandling” or whatever it is now being called is being blown up out of proportion to fit this narrative.
It is also the case that we have no idea how Saliba would have turned out if he had stayed at Arsenal rather than progress as he has done since going out on loan.
Correct
Everything else is our assumption
Ken
The best point you made and twice stated is the quote from Arteta himself.
When asked about giving Saliba 2 preseason matches and no games played, then sent on loan, Arteta answered that he got it wrong.
Even Arteta himself with proper context admitted he made a mistake with handling Saliba, yet some won’t admit the gaffer was wrong.
“If” is their defense even after Arteta’s admittance.
Presently I believe the issue has been resolved between Saliba and Arteta.
Saliba was given opportunities this year, proved his qualities beyond doubt, and BOTH Saliba and Arteta agreed to the extension.
Not sure why the dwelling on the past remains, or the stubborn refusal that Arteta got it wrong. No one is perfect, but both seemed to have learned from that experience and handled things professionally; I wish fans could have the same tact when an issue is done and dusted.
Come on Durand
I honestly don’t think anybody thinks Arteta didn’t wish he’d handled it differently at the time.
What is so ludicrous is the harping back to something so far back having any material impact on what Saliba does now. Too much of that from several posts
Thanks Durand and if everyone calmed down, thought about it and realised that MA ‘s own words are the ONLY FACTUAL ones – while everything else is each and everyone’s own opinion.
If we can accept that as the starting point for the discussion, it would help matters considerably and, furthermore, agree that the two men have, once the contract has been officially signed, sorted out their differences.
Strangely, that contract hasn’t yet been officially announced!!
👍👍 ken and Durand
Dan, maybe those players performed well in training, where as Saliba wasn’t ready, mentally that is to handle the live games. Remember Walcott on his England debut, had have of potential, but was a nervous wreck on his first live English game. Maybe Saliba wasn’t quite ready for the Expectations of his own fans and found the pressure easier out on loan. We don’t really no the reasons why After a makes some decisions.
Yeah but he got it wrong based on where we finished and how Salian performed at same time.
Hey guys, good times ahead, right? It could be worst, we could all be Tottenham Supporters. Ha Ha Ha.
daveg, don’t write off Tottenham or underestimate Ange Postecoglou as a manager and coach. You only need to follow up the comments of top managers like Guardiola, Ancellotti, Strachan, O’Neill, Rogers, who have had sides play against him or have watched his career. Also players like Cahill, who have played for him love him. He has won everywhere he has been and his teams have played against teams coached by the games top coaches at World Cups.
Next season is going to be very competitive and interesting, even given that Manchester City is the team to beat.
I decided to refresh my memory regarding Saliba by checking Wikipedia
As far as that’s concerned, Saliba chose to come to Arsenal over Spurs and when it came to returning to Arsenal after his loan in Marseille came to an end chose not to seek a transfer away
That says to me at least, that WS saw his future with us and the talk of still being miffed by what happened when he was much younger and inexperienced is wide of the mark to me. Arteta made it clear that he regretted his decision when he was likewise inexperienced, and I’d be astonished if that was not made clear to Saliba and his representatives at the time.
I don’t see the point in revving up a non issue after what has been a successful season for him at Arsenal. He knows he is appreciated and knows we’re his bread is buttered
Sue my style is to give option on anything in news
So Saint Etienne person said there were issues that needing ironing out
I think it’s worth us thinking how many players Arteta just gives up on
Next one will be Pepe ….by making it so clear he won’t give Pepe a chance clubs know they can get him for nothing
You are constructing problems that fit your negative narrative, Dan. You don’t like Arteta fair enough, but you are seldom constructive in your criticism. Most experts judging Arteta’s Arsenal job have a different opinion than you, are they all wrong 🤔
“Sometimes you can have a theory without any actual proof.”
This may be the single most ridiculous statement ever published on this site.
A theory without proof is not a theory, it’s just conjecture.
Nah lol
Most ridiculous comment was MNiles better then Kante or fans saying they wouldn’t take Mbappe
Worth a thought though ?
Nope, the original one was still more ridiculous.
Cheers mate , you inspired an article lol
And what inspired this one, flatearthers and QAnon?
A quote from Saint Etienne’s former academy director
The full quote is:
“Speaking to people close to him, he had doubts about Arsenal because there were some issues between him and the coach. Now he is happy in London”
So the basis of this is that the ex-director of a team he last played for 3 years ago heard second hand information.
Yes ….you asked what inspired the article
The Daily Mirror have also done the same
I havnt just woken up and made it up
Well my mate Dave down the pub heard from Saka’s barber’s cousin’s best friend that we’re signing Mbappe, so it definitely must be happening then.
Ah! The good old Daily Mirror. That bastion of truth and honesty. NOT!!
Unproven quote, anyone can come up with a quote
Yes , you are right AeGooner.
I will as -A theory without proof is not a theory, it’s just BS.
Not true
The definition of a theory is ….
a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.
You don’t need facts to have a theory or idea of why something happens
You are correct, as a scientist that indeed is a theory and I have worked with them daily for 22 years and going.
Think they are confusing “theory” with “hypothesis”
To summarize “hypothesis” it is an educated guess, using facts to formulate a conclusion which you repeatedly test.
All part of scientific method which most know. It is easily confused with theory as has happened on this thread, which I “hypothesize” is the reason for the misunderstanding.
As a further example “Theory of Relatively, Life after Death, or how bees fly (related to physics) all followed principles not facts. Once proven however, it is not as much a theory as original supposition.
Most of the comments on this blog are from negative people, who can’t wait for anyone to fail to be able to say ‘I told you so’. Coaching pro’s, who are better than any PL manager, just can’t be botthered to get their a~~e off the sofa to land a £5m p.a. job.
On the subject of Saliba, Mikel knew he wasn’t ready. And wasn’t everyone outraged that we paid £27m for an unknown French teenager? I’d just add that almost all Arsenal players have doubled their value under Arteta. For every Pepe we have Martinelli’s. Even Tavares(!) is worth twice more now than last year.
See some of you at the Emirates.
Almost all ?
Ozil , Auba , Lacca , Pepe , Leno , Bellerain , Kolasniac , MNiles , Luiz , Willian , Mustafi , Sokeritise , Mari Guenzdozi , Torreria ,
None of their value doubled
We got to as a fanbase stop just making things up
I agree with your last statement. We’ve got to do making things up- for example that there is some kind of issue between arteta and saliba?
I never said there was
Saint Etiennes former academy director did
@Dan
You said as a fanbase we should stop making up things.
But here we are on your own Article where you manufactured a “Let hope Arteta has learned from his poor treatment of Saliba”.
But let’s us as a fanbase stop making up things?
Go figure.. 🤔🫣
“Unknown french teenager “😂to you and probably most people in the UK maybe.I’m sure you are aware that there is a big wide world outside yours/UK!in France,Europe.Saliba has been known,destined to reach the top since he was a kid.he has represented France at every levels,always played in categories above his age.as for being outraged over 27M.Leicester paid 36.5M for his teammate Fofana(same age)except that Saliba was 2 years ahead of him,Saliba was playing for St-Etienne first team at 17 years old when Fofana was still playing for their academy.Wolves paid 40M for Fabio Silva,UTD paid 60M for Martial,RM Madrid 45M for Rodriguo…
Siamois, you should know that to many the USA is the centre of the universe, despite which the EPL is the only football competition in the world.
@Dan Smith might be trolling us all here.
I am not sure if he is being serious or just pulling our leg for a reaction / engagement.
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I have a theory that he’s really a spuds fan. I don’t have any proof, but i apparently don’t need any
Exactly now you get it
That is your theory as in we live in a world where you are entitled to your opinion
People are entitled to an opinion, and others are able to point out how ridiculous that opinion may be. Opinions or conjecture are just that, not theories that should be presented as facts.
Opinions, particularly unfounded ones, can be dangerous and damaging.
Like people who blamed Liverpool fans for the debacle at last year’s Champions League final with no evidence.
Exactly
You think I’m a Spurs fan and your entitled to that opinion
If you notice with me I have the ability to have a football debate without being personal or name calling etc
Sorry, where is the name calling?
I said your opinion is ridiculous, which is my opinion.
You’re entitled to your opinions but it doesn’t mean that people aren’t allowed to criticize them, particularly if you choose to post them in an open forum.
You fail to stick on topic
I have simply said what Saint Etienne’s owner has said , what Saliba and Arteta said at the time and pointed out we have had allot of players Arteta discarded …..
Yet we can’t say anything negative can we so your answer is …….
Most reduclous comments you ever read ?
Your a Spurs Fan
Oh and Liverpool ?
1. Most ridiculous comment I’ve read on this site. I stand by it, I’m entitled to my opinion after all, there’s nothing personal there. I’m not saying you are ridiculous, just the idea that it’s ok to have theories based on zero evidence.
2. Calling you a spurs fan was being ironic to point out that having opinions that are not based on evidence is ridiculous.
3. Liverpool: I’m sorry that bringing up your hurtful and demonstrably wrong accusations was hurtful to you – perhaps you should have thought about that before blaming them with no evidence in your article.
This is a complete pot calling the kettle black scenario, as you want the freedom to post your own opinions, with no criticism or repercussions when it’s proven that they’re completely wrong.
What’s being proven wrong ?
No it’s just weak mate
It’s like you can’t form a debate so you bring up another topic
A topic I won’t engage in because it’s not relevant to the subject
I’m entitled to my opinions and of course your entitled to your opinions about my opinions.
Equally I’m entitled to have an opinion about your opinions regarding my opinions lol
It is relevant to the topic, because it speaks to the problem of forming opinions with no evidence. However, you would prefer to put out these opinions and take no responsibility for them. In that sense it is extremely relevant.
As regards saying anything negative about the content itself, I think I’ve already done that. It’s based on second hand information regurgitated by the ex-academy director of a team that he hasn’t played for in three years. Not exactly the strongest of sources.
Never said it was …
You asked me what inspired article ….
The daily mirror ran an article based on what he said
I literally write my opinion on news I read
Nah mate , just at an age where just because I support Arsenal doesn’t mean I can’t question things
I’m not 10 years old lol
@Dan
It’s okay to question.
Questioning and being skeptical is different from being a full blown Cynic that always wants to form / manufacture negative scenarios that have no basis.
There is a difference between questioning rationally / logically and just going down a rabbit hole of:
“I am just being skeptical of the earth being round. Why can’t it be Flat?”
“I am just questioning this narrative of us Landing in the moon. Its all a hoax. Been all photoshop / CGI”
“All this “The force of Gravity” stuff. I am just questioning it. I don’t have to accept it”. Etc..
“I am just questioning this standard narrative that these things called aeroplanes can fly etc..”
I get those kinds of vibes from many posters on here.
“On the moon”.
Goonster, if the earth was flat I would be floating in space and it wouldn’t be winter here. 😁
Would Arsenal sign Kylian Mbappe this summer to help us win the quadruple next season? I didn’t say can Arsenal sign him but would because I believe they can sign him if they want to.
I think and believe if Arsenal talk to him ancle convinced him to join them this summer, he will join them to not go to Real Madrid who want him this summer
why? He may want to avoid experiencing Vinicios Junior racial abuse experience in Spain.
Why would he choose us though ?
Would Arsenal sign Kylian Mbappe this summer to help us win the quadruple next season? I didn’t say can Arsenal sign him but would because I believe they can sign him if they want to.
I think and believe if Arsenal talk to him and convinced him to join them this summer. He will join them to not go to Real Madrid who want him this summer.
Why? He may want to avoid experiencing Vinicius Junior racial abuse experience in Spain.
OH MY GOD, OH MY GOD. People on this site have terrible memories on the Ballad Of William Saliba and the whole saga. William Saliba was part of Arsenal’s squad to play in the pre season matches of 2019/20. The lad played in two matches. He wasn’t exactly awful on the pitch,, but did look out of sorts at times during those two matches. Even William Saliba admitted that he didn’t feel comfortable, and also admitted that he could have done better in those two matches. Mikel Arteta didn’t hold that against the lad. Both of William Saliba’s parents died together. I thought it may have been a tragic car accident that caused their deaths,, because it says that they both died together. That’s what I was led to believe. But in fact,, the mother died of Covid, and the father committed suicide straight after. That’s how they died together. It’s a very sad state of affairs when you think about it. It just wasn’t Mikel Arteta’s decision, but it was the Arsenal Football Club’s decision to send William Saliba out on loan to a French club so Saliba could be close to his surviving relatives in France. After all the lad’s english and communicational skills weren’t the best at that time,, he’s lost both parents in bazaar circumstances. What else can one do. Saliba was 19 years old at the time. So the lad is put out on loan for one season. He plays well during that initial loan spell. Saliba believes that he’s ready to come back to Arsenal. Arteta and Arsenal Football Club believe that he should have another loan spell in France. They are trying to help in his best interests. It’s not the best situation to in. Arteta is dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn’t. Mikel Arteta has made some monumental blunders as a manager at Arsenal,,, but his handling of William Saliba has been done in a caring nurturing manner. As for Phillipe Guillemet,, the man has very selective memory. And as for Daniel Boone,, sorry,, Dan Smith, he has done very little research in this particular issue regarding William Saliba. How some people have short memories, or, lack of knowledge. Just remember, William Saliba could have easily gone to Real Madrid. They came in with a massive offer to Saliba, and the lad turned them down. Saliba did have an issue with Mikel Arteta. He got over it a long time ago. One would have to say that Arsenal have handled the whole issue with class
But the player disagreed
He clearly said at the time that know one at the club had explained this to him and he felt ready to compete
Marseille president and now Saint Etienne academy director have both said this ( they know player better then we do )
Arteta has admitted regret at not registering player in squad , paying him to sit at home
While away , we finished 8th and 5th and had centre backs I feel he could have been better then
This topic has pretty much been done to death and it astonishes me that we are harping back to a moment in time that was dealt with by Arteta’s statement of regret and Saliba’s youth and particular circumstances.
All we need now is an update on Guendouzi’s progress 🙄
That was meant to be a general post
Yes, he would have done better. But what do you do when a young player has lost both parents at once. There was most probably a lack of communication at that time. If he had of been there when Arsenal finished in 8th and 5th place, would he have handled criticism if it was towards him personally. If so, how would he have handled it. Arsenal supporters can very fickle and judgemental. No one knows. All is hopefully forgotten we hope. He’s signed the new contract, so we can now see how this young man grows and develops as a player. The potential is there for him to be a world class central defender. And alot depends on this so called back injury he is carrying. No one at the club has actually said what it is. Some are saying possible disc bulge. That could be a problem if that were true. He can’t play week in and week out. But then, it would be silly if the club were to announce to the world what his back injury was. Some people can have disc bulge and go through life with no problems whatsoever. And other people only have to sneeze or cough, and they’re in all sorts of problems. That’s the only question mark I have over him. Can he stay injury free
particularly pjennings, when both parents die in such unforeseen and tragic circumstances. People should put themselves in William Saliba’s place and empathise with the young man, not just a footballer.
pjenning, I have to thank you for your explanation regarding the terrible demise of WS’s parents.
I knew there was a personal issue (nothing to do with football) so I didn’t delve further into the subject.
What a terrible tragedy for him to deal with at such a young age.
However, Mikel has himself said that he handled the situation wrongly, when he omitted him from every competition, before sending him out on loan.
Now I believe MA to be a man of principle and honesty and, therefore, accept his version of events.
The club, in light of what you have written, acted with the same high principle and I applaud them.
All I now want to see, is William happy and content at our club, where he is one of the fans favourite players – please just sign the contract and become one of the best CB’s to wear the jersey
@Ken1945,,, it was back then common knowledge back then that his parents passed away together. I naturally thought it was a car accident,, especially when they said ,” both died together “. His mother died of Covid,, the father didn’t die from it. But he died with her. It’s so tragic. There is a photo floating around of a very young William Saliba as a little boy wearing an Arsenal jersey. Arteta could have handled things better. But in saying that,, does anyone know the full story of it all. That’s usually where rumours and half stories come out
I concur with you my friend and, once William signs the contract, we can all forget what’s gone on in the past, sit back and enjoy watching yet another great Arsenal signing progress to the dizzy heights of Adams, Campbell, Keown and Toure… perhaps even Gabriel.
KEN interesting but somewhat mixed list you chose to illustrate your point, I reckon..
NO early O;Leary, NO Bould(incredibly imo), inclusion of Toure, almost as incredibly as those omissions and a mention of GABRIEL, which I cannot work out if its serious ,ironic humourous or what! He is certainly NO Adams, Bould, Campbell. Though he is good, but not THAT good, IMO.
Each has their own opinions Jon and I find you listing Bould as incredible,while questioning my inclusion of Toure (who has won more medals than Bould or O’leary) as being nonsensical…. plus the fact, of course, that he was such an important part of The Invincibles.
I hope to see William Saliba emulate what Kolo has done in his career – apart from being headhunted by City!!
DAN at least you are consistent in your refusal to listen to sensible argument and to keep coming back , time after time after time with the same old bogus theory , born of a natural negativity towards our manager.
A negativity that you have never wished nor tried to ditch, andin which your own comments say you are entitled to have. Well so you are too! But what a price you have paid as a regular JA contributor , who is so widely regarded with scorn and irritation.
FANS IN GENERAL, ARE NOT FANS BECAUSE THEY FEEL NEGATIVE VIBES TOWARDS THEIR CLUB , BUT INSTEAD ARE GENERALLY OPTIMISTS.
You are of course a rare exception and I believe you wish to BE KNOWN as that exception, as it gives you a certain notoriety, in which you revel.
Scorn and irritation ?
Comeing from you Jon ! Really
Something tells me you have had more warnings about your conduct on this site then me ?
DAN Ah, that old chestnut so beloved of a cornered negative fan.
When under attack, start lashing out to try to destroy the perceived character of your critic.
How childishly predictable too.
Its known as trying to move the goalposts, but so VERY easily seen through by all, save only your few equally determined “negative to MA” acolytes.
Under attack ?
MA acolytes ?
It’s a football debating site lol
Jon,
talk about lashing out!
If you and Dan don’t stop your CHILDISH attacks, you will both be moderated. I’m sick of it.
Stop using personal abuse because you don’t agree with someone, and try to stick to the football. (Or Mr. Admin will come to get you!)
I have t seen Dan once attack anyone on this Site let alone this article ,it’s pretty obvious who’s the negative instigator on pretty much every article that is written on this site .
Reading 5-6 articles today alone Mr bully boy as started arguments for no reason whatsoever.
I personally won’t interact with him anymore as I got moderated last time but the childish attacks stem from one poster alone .
PAT As YOU have also , and rightly too, often attacked confirmed negative fans yourself, perhaps you will then moderate yourself too while you are at it.
After all, we cannot have free speech or ripostes masqurading as so called “childish attacks”. CAN WE!
One rule for the guvnor, another for the members! And I wont be alone in noticing this either!
Fine Jon.
If you don’t like the rules and want to carry on attacking writers and other ARSENAL FANS comments then you can do it somewhere else.
My website. My rules
I am only too well aware of that fact Pat. .
I try not to engage unless people stick to football
They should get a room, they sound like an old married couple
I generally don’t know anything personal I have said ?
@Dan.
Do you know what a the term “THEORY” means in science?
In science a Theory is the highest level. For any Hypothesis to get to a recognised Theory means that it went through rigorous testing, Experimentation, Peer Review and has to have overwhelming evidence to support it.
So in science a Theory = Overwhelming evidence supporting a thesis / hypothesis.
Good Job this is not science then ?
Haha
But once you mention the term “Evidence” in the same statement with “Theory” then you are into the realm of scientific enquiry.
That’s like saying “But a fetus can come out of not Sperm and an Egg.” Then when I say to you that in Biology that makes non sense, you go ahead and protest “But this is not a Biology class.”.
Or You saying that an Aeroplane can fly without Aerodynamics being taken into consideration. But when I say that that goes against Physics as we know it, you then assure me that “but this is not a physics class.”
Or when you talk about Objective vs Subjective Morality . But when I say that we are in the Realm of Philosophy you then turn around and say that “But this is not philosophy.”.
Serious terminology being used sloppily always causes confusion. We have to first define these complicated terms before we just throw them about carelessly.
I think the appropriate terms you should have used in the first place are “In my opinion or My hypothesis”.
That’s all..
😊
Well know you must have heard the works conspiracy theory for example
Loads of theories exist that havn’t been proven
😂
Dan
Amazing how you have manage to whip up a debate out of old chip newspaper
I applaud you 👏
MA as we all have agreed at one point of time or another is a good coach still learning to be a good manager
Many mistakes at the start and still makes some now BUT is learning and making better decisions
WS is a boy from another country still learning to be a man and what we have seen to date he is doing fine but is still learning
We really don’t care what the Saint Etiennes academy manager said or might have said
he is entitled to his opinion like everyone on here and we either agree or disagree with it
Some on here have agendas on supporting or not supporting MA
I personally am in MA corner.
Done a tremendous job for us over the course of his current reign
He has got us back out if our seats
GIVEN US some belief back for the club and we are actually winning more games then we are losing
On people who think we have it bad with our manager Please take a rain check and think of disgruntled neighbours who have gone through a string full of TOP managers and come out in a pior state
Our neighbours in sw London who have spent a bucket full of money and ended up all over the place and in disaray
Life isn’t that bad for us is it?
AB my friend, it’s sad to see that you have succumbed to this “Arteta agenda” BS!!
I assume (rightly or wrongly) that 99.9% of those who take time to follow and comment within Just Arsenal, are doing so because they are passionate about the club – not any one manager or player, but the club.
Why would ANY supporter not want to see Mikel succeed?
It’s absolute nonsense, although I did see it happen not too many seasons ago, I have to admit and by certain people on JA who now castigate who they perceive doing the exact same thing they did!!!
Onward and Upwards and just smile at the hypocrisy of some fans, myself included!!
Love reading your posts Allanball08
Is this because I sit on the same side of the fence as you mostly? Possibly, but I do enjoy your appraisals during the season. Let’s hope the small minority who will spring into action at the first sign of any underachievement don’t get the opportunity – as this will mean that we will be having a successful campaign
allanball08, don’t discount the impact Ange Postecoglou on our “noisy neighbours” this coming season; he is no mug, works hard, has a winning mentality and doesnt take crap.
Any young players are confused. They become more confused when listening to greedy agents and brainless fans. Another shocking writing from pro Arsenal website.
this article is just guessing, no one knows what went on with Saliba and Arteta, from what I read Saliba’s mum died and he asked to remain in France as his form suffered and he wasn’t ready to return to Arsenal. His grief was documented and yet you fail to mention it in your article which I believe has a bearing on the so-called rumours that he and Artea fell out.
Simply not true mate , I can show you quotes where Saliba says he does not understand being sent on loan and feels he wasn’t given a chance
You are citing unproven quotes, the death of his mother is a fact, also the death of his father is a fact.
Didn’t say they were not facts
Do you want the quotes ?
William Saliba:
On 25 July 2019, Arsenal announced that Saliba had signed a “long-term” contract with the club.[8] Media reported a contract duration of five years and that the transfer fee amounted to £27 million.[11] Arsenal faced competition from rivals Tottenham Hotspur to complete the deal, with both clubs meeting Saint-Étienne’s valuation of the player, however, Saliba chose to join Arsenal, with the club’s interest in Saliba dating back to late 2018.
Mikel Arteta:
On 20 December 2019, Arteta was appointed head coach at former club Arsenal, signing a deal until 2023.[
From the facts, it can be seem that WS is not signed by MA. There is the possibility that MA don’t trust players not signed by him. This can be an idea for JA writers to research and write an article.
Anyway, we all make mistakes and the most important is to learn, change and benefit from the mistakes. Let’s hope William Saliba signs a few years contract and with new capable players joining Arsenal, we can go for FA Cup/EPL title next season.
The minimum expectation is to beat Man City on our home ground.